RIsR Exclusive: Glasses Malone Talks GlassHouse 2, the Music Industry, and His Hometown, Watts
Wisdom is defined as “the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.” Glasses Malone is wise beyond his years. Coming into the music industry already experiencing more life in his 20 plus years of living than some do in 40, Glasses dealt directly with some of the biggest artists in he game, signing to Cash Money when Lil Wayne was the top artist in the game. Now away from that situation, Glasses is applying the wisdom he got before and within the industry to his Division Media Company.In between engineering other artists’ sessions in his studio, he spoke to Reality is Real about GlassHouse 2, the music industry, and his hometown of Watts, California.
Reality Is Real: How do you feel about the response you got for GlassHouse 2?
Glasses Malone: It was mediocre…
RisR: Really? That’s the first time I’ve heard somebody say that…
Glasses Malone: As far as the reception…or the people that heard it?
RisR: From the fans. Like the people who heard it…
Glasses Malone: Oh no… As far as from a critical standpoint, amazing. I think people everyday are just more and more understanding how good it really is. A buddy of mine just hit me and said he reviewed the albums this year and said “Your album was really better than everybody else album this year.” I honestly feel it’s probably better. To me, the most competitive would probably be Game’s. I feel it was probably just a little better than his.
RisR: Game’s album is hard. So what makes an album GlassHouse 2? I always ask artists that when they have the albums with the same name. They follow it up. Why specifically with this one, GlassHouse 2?
Glasses Malone: To me GlassHouse…I wrote a book, that’s the funny part, I was actually proofreading it.
RisR: That’s the one you did with Soren [Baker]?
Glasses Malone: Yeah. GlassHouse is like an attitude for me. It’s a certain shallowness in my attitude. It’s really all my attitude in general. It ain’t really necessarily like my soul or my reflection. It’s really just my attitude. GlassHouse is all about attitude. So if you heard [the original] GlassHouse, It’s all about the attitude. It ain’t about… it ain’t no “Car Wash” it aint no “Club Heaven.” It’s just my attitude when it comes to girls. It’s my bravado. This music was just more fun. I just kept it straight like that.
RisR: I feel that you get labeled as a “gangsta rapper” but gangster rappers, to me, have always made the most conscious music. If you listen to the second verse to “Thuggin,” it’s clear. A lot of people who get that label of “conscious rappers” don’t get into that much depth of what’s actually going on. How do you feel about that label in particular?
Glasses Malone: I’m a gangster and I rap so I don’t take it like nothin but my favorite rapper outside of Jay-Z, Scarface, is labeled a gangster rapper too but I definitely agree with you. I did an interview with HipHopDX and I told them I was more conscious than every conscious rapper that was rapping. They didn’t understand because they believe conscious rap is about someone who is talking about Blacks in general when Blacks in general is the urban population. So if someone ain’t talking about gangs, are they really talking about what’s going on with Blacks? Gangs is the focal point of what’s going on with blacks outside of just being oppressed. It’s what going on in my community. Personally, I think I’m the most conscious rapper there is period right now from the West Coast. You gon have to go get to a legendary person like a Scarface to even get on any type of level of awareness that I’m on. Not to mention the people they say are “conscious” is really high anyway so what are they really conscious of?
RisR: I had this same conversation with MC Ren because I was talking about how I was looking at MC Ren’s projects and later on they said “Oh this is ‘conscious’ MC Ren.” And it’s like, you mean the nigga that was on “Fuck the Police” wasn’t conscious? Like how do you say that? I feel like the people who get labeled as “gangsta rappers” are actually the most in touch with the community so they have the most to say about what’s actually going on with the community. A lot of the people who get labeled as “conscious” are sitting in some suburb somewhere making judgements.
Glasses Malone: Watching CNN rapping about what’s going on…
RisR: Exactly. And I’m not really feeling that label and then the label of conscious itself. So the thing about GlassHouse 2 is that it sounds like the classic West Coast music that I grew up on. I feel like the West Coast sound has changed over time. Change is gonna happen but this reminds me a lot of the Daz and Kurrupt that I would hear at the house parties and stuff like that. I seen you when you went on tour around the country, you get love in every hood everywhere. What is it about your music specifically that it can be so West Coast but be so well received in all of the other areas around the country?
Glasses Malone: My album is just barbershop conversation. I just speak for everybody that’s in the barbershop in the hood. What I’m talking about on my rap records is when I go get my haircut at the homie’s shop, that’s what they talking about in the barbershop. That’s what we talk about so every barbershop in every hood is going to talk about everything I’m talking about. If it’s a song about how rap seems a little feminine that’s what everybody is talking about in the barbershop. So I think the barbershop is the connection worldwide for Black people. That’s our central location. That’s where we do all of our politicking. In my conversation, musically, whether it’s something, to me, as shallow as GlassHouse 2, or something as deep as a lot of the stuff that might be on Drive-By Muzik. It’s very much what’s being said in the barbershop. It’s very true and honest. It’s from an honest place.
RisR: Speaking of barbershop, on the “Thuggin” remix you went and got Killer Mike on it. It’s funny because I see a lot of similarities in both of you guys. I feel like the people who get labeled as gangsta rappers are the most conscious. So you guys go in depth about what’s actually going on but at the same time you’re like “Yo, I’m gonna say whatever I’m feeling at this moment right now.” If Killer Mike [talks about loving] fat asses that doesn’t take away from the fact that [he] knows what’s going on in the neighborhood and cares about [his] people. What specifically went into that decision to get Killer Mike on that track?
Glasses Malone: Me and Killer MIke are friends. So just like they say the most gangster people or gangsta rappers they might say me but don’t realize how conscious I am, most people that’s perceived as conscious is most likely the most gangsta and Mike is gangsta. Most people don’t know. Mike is a gangsta. From the day we talked, there was always this connection because I knew what he was talking about was real in Atlanta and I’m sure when he listened to my music he’d be like “Oh yeah that’s what’s going on in Watts.” So we were just friends and “Thuggin” is a barbershop record. Mike had to speak his piece. [It was only] Scarface and certain people that I could only see on that. It’s funny ‘cause I didn’t really see Kendrick on it at first and that was real. Mike…we been looking to do a record and it was the perfect record.
RisR: So speaking on artists sounding like where they’re from, there’s been a lot of this conversation about that. There’s an artist in New York, Troy Ave, who said that he feels like artists from New York don’t sound like New York. He wanted to bring the sound back. Do you feel like, more recently, artists don’t have that same regional feel that they used to feel from back in the day?
Glasses Malone: I mean when I hear YG I hear West Coast.
RisR: Right and that’s the same one Troy Ave shouted out. He said when he listens to YG he feels like that’s West Coast.
Glasses Malone: All the trap stuff sounds like the South.
RisR: But then you hear that trap sound from everywhere other than the south too…
Glasses Malone: But also that’s Black music. Trap is really urban, really Black. So everybody Black around the world gon’ want that piece of it. It don’t really work well for anybody but somebody in the South. You’ll have some success but none of their songs is gonna be as big as what Migos or… they’re gonna have a lot more success with what their doing because that’s their native tongue. But to elaborate further on what Troy Ave is saying, that’s because of the producers. I was in New York and I did an interview with Hot97 and I was telling them where is Puff? Where is Swizz? Where is Just? Where are these people that are supposed to advocate the sound or pass it down to the next producer? You got the Reemo the Hitmaker who has a real serious New York sound as a producer. It’s a kid named Quality coming out of Harlem/Brooklyn, New York area. He has that New York sound. It’s really the producers. The DJs are the ones entrusted to keep passing on the sound. If you leave it to the actual vocalist or rapper, they wanna rap over what they think is hot or what they listening to. YG’s sound is Mustard. It’s Mustard and Ty Dolla $ign so that’s a big part of it. That’s a DJ. It’s really important. My DJ, Hed, Hed gives me my sound. I can’t really put it out unless he made it or approve it. The eras when music was being dominated and it felt regional is because the DJs were the architects of the sound. They were the band that was playing every night on the West Coast. My DJs playing every night on the West Coast. He’s playing on The Real 92. That’s a band. He’s playing every night so he knows what people want to party to out here from us.
RisR: He knows what people want on the west coast. So speaking of your time in New York and your traveling around the nation, outside of California, what places do you really like performing. What is it about these other locations that you get that feeling for?
Glasses Malone: I like everywhere. It aint too many places I didn’t like. Every place has something special to offer. When I go to Boston, I feel like I get a lot of history and heritage…just a rich education thing. I did an interview at MIT. I met a kid named Dart Adams. Really smart guy. You got guys like Dart…you got so many different really smart guys. Dana Scott…and it’s like you can feel the information in the air. When you go to New York, you get to look around and feel around. You go to Jersey and Jersey is like…Newark is like L.A. but on the East Coast. It’s so dope going to Newark and going to the projects. Hangin in DC…the hood is like right where the White House is. They sell cigarettes. They hustle cigarettes out there. 50 cent or 75 cent, you know, like dope. I don’t know it’s just crazy. People buy single cigarettes. You can stand on the corner and sell single cigarettes. I got a chance to hang out in Cleveland where it was amazing. It feels loungey. It wasn’t all club-y. It was loungey. Pittsburgh is like an underrated place. It’s just exploding with flavor. Akron is crazy. Memphis… being in Memphis…Louisville… shout out to my boy Big Homie and all my boys out there in Louisville. It’s just really dope. Dallas. There are just so many dope ass places to be. Part of my whole thing with GlassHouse 2, I finally learned how to make music so I knew this project was the reason to go out and now I’m ready to start going out and hanging out in every hood. As far as why I get love, I don’t know. I think I just represent the barbershop. At the end of the day somebody could just feel it come off. I’m just grateful that they do show me love and they don’t got to.
RisR: Speaking of dope places, this year, a lot of people have talked about Compton. You got Dre with Compton. You got Kendrick, you got Game, but Watts has had a really great year itself with you, with Jay Rock, with [Bad] Lucc, how do you feel about the year Watts has had in Hip-Hop?
Glasses Malone: We have our work cut out. They just made a Straight Out of Compton movie. We gotta get some platinum artists. Tyrese has been holdin it down long enough. I’m just trying to help find the next talent, keep furthering and doing my job and taking the music to the next level and finding the next great thing. The first great thing since The Whispers in the city. We doing what we supposed to do but it’s our job to keep pushing the agenda too.
RisR: I mentioned Lucc, I mentioned Rock and you guys all represent Watts. I feel like each one of you guys is your own artist and y’all are different type of artists. Is there any string that you think connects you guys as artists from Watts. Is there something about an artist from Watts that you guys all have in common even though your music is completely different?
Glasses Malone: The spirit is in all of us when it comes down to it. That whole “make it.” That whole Watts Tower, that whole making something out of nothing attitude. You can hear it in everybody style. People that you never heard of in this city, there’s a lot of talent. The Whispers are from Watts. Two of the main members of Rose Royce are from Watts. Patrice Rushen went to Locke. It’s some great things so I think you can hear that attitude in all of our music. Just about furthering the goal. Figuring out exactly…trying make sure we get Watts to where people know what’s going on because it’s a lot of rich history there.
RisR: Speaking of which, that was my next question about Watts. You guys have that history from the Watts Writers Workshop, the Watts Coffee Shop…what would you say about Watts to people who haven’t really experienced it. How would you describe it?
Glasses Malone: It’s the Mecca for Blacks. It’s in the low bottom Eastside of Watts. It’s where all the Blacks from the South came. They came here. They came right to this city. It’s a rich energy in the air. It’s really textured there. You not gonna feel it unless you go. Obviously people would be a little nervous because, you know, it’s poverty. Shit could happen but you know if you go there and touch the concrete and touch some of the stuff, you can feel it. It’s a place ready to explode. There’s a lot of color there. It’s really dope.
RisR: Speaking of that, I was there at the TDE [charity event and concert], you were there, of course. How did you feel about that event and being involved in that?
Glasses Malone: Man I’m so proud of Top Dawg, Dude Dogg, who run TDE. All them dudes been a part of my career since I first started minus the artist. Before K. Dot, before Jay Rock, before Q, before Ab-Soul. Top Dawg, Dude Dawg, Tommy Tom, Two T’s. They’ve been supportive of what I do. I remember the long nights in that back studio of TDE and putting in that work and coming over there and everybody going hard, to see he really doing right by the community…I seen him talking to the dude that own the projects! I just really couldn’t do nothing but smile.
RisR: I’ve never heard you asked asked about it and I’ve always wanted to know how you felt about Dom’s “Intermission for Watts.” I mean, if you’re from around here, you know Watts and the way people do look at Watts and to be from outside of Watts and be like “Yo fuck all that shit, go see your peoples. These are our peoples.”…how did you feel when you heard that?
Glasses Malone: Dom is a class act ass nigga. That’s a ill ass nigga. That’s a real one. I like that guy. I really like Dom. I like him. His style, he stand up, he take care of his squad, I like everything that nigga represent. I like that muthafucka. Dom is a good muthafuckin nigga. The “Intermission for Watts” just shows you the kind of character he is. He knows what’s going on. For him to even put that out. Dom is a really good dude. Very much as advertised. It’s really about what he does. When I heard that, it really blew me away. Just to hear somebody give that much attention to this city. Usually people ignore other people’s city. Dom is just crazy. Dom is tough and it was a really tight thing too.
RisR: Yeah ‘cause when I heard it and I seen it on there I was like “What is this about?” I was like “That’s dope.” I’ve always known you to be a champion of West Coast music. Even before this, I think I ran into you at the album release for Ingleworld. Every time I go to something, I feel like you’re real supportive of west coast music. How do you feel about the scene right now with all the artists that are hot and stuff like that?
Glasses Malone: Skeme is the best muthafucka I’ve heard rap in my life. I don’t know if he has it…I know he still putting it together from the artist’s perspective and I’ve been saying the last 3 years I’ve been saying he’s the best rapper I’ve ever heard in my life. I was sayin, you think I’m crazy, but I don’t think Eminem can out rap Skeme.
RisR: Skeme has so many different flows and approaches and it feels like he just…like sometimes it’s just like…It’s like the words and stuff…it’s like he has the bars too, but sometimes it’s like he’ll just be like “Fuck it. I’m just finna spazz and flip it.”
Glasses Malone: Seriously man…when we were doing “Too Hood” it was me, Game, Skeme, and my boy Alcatraz. Me and Game, obviously, we competitive. Game is winning it right now but he can tell my skill is at another level now and I’m coming for a spot. We did the record and to watch Skeme walk in, and literally, we just stared at each other when Skeme came up with a verse and laid it and we just standin like… Jesus. It was like watching some shit like “Wow this is some shit.” He was signing Skeme to some degree. Skeme just easily the best nigga I’ve ever heard rap. That’s a big thing.
RisR: That’s major praise because I know you’ve heard a lot of people, even in person.
Glasses Malone: I’m talking about Jay Z…we talking about my…like I said, this dude is the best rapper I’ve ever heard. Do I think he makes better songs? No. He doesn’t have it all together but he is the best rapper I’ve ever heard and what he can do is just…God gave one person all of that is just crazy. But I mean, outside of…I really appreciate what YG and them are doing honestly. I just wish the Pushaz came back together. I’m not hearing much YG together with Ty. I always thought that was gonna be the new everything for the West Coast. I like a lot of the stuff that Tyga startin to do even though people not seeing it. I like what he’s doing. Obviously TDE. Mozzy in Sacramento. Mozzy in Sac. There’s a couple of kids coming from Oakland that’s doing damage. It’s some good stuff. It’s some good stuff happening.
RisR: It’s interesting that you shouted out Oakland because I feel like Oakland doesn’t get the attention it deserves. When people talk about California, they tend to look at here. They look at Southern California, L.A. They ignore San Diego, Mitchy Slick, and everything they do down there. Like I said, Oakland doesn’t get the attention it deserves.
Glasses Malone: Berner, Frisco, It’s some tough people up in the Bay. But that’s on us. I always say that’s the disconnect. That’s why L.A. artists ain’t as prominent as they used to be. Tupac laid that blueprint. We need to connect with people from the Bay because it’s a whole other world. There’s some kids in Oakland starting to do damage. You look at what Berner and them is doing. They holdin they own thing. Mozzy out of Sac. San Diego always had Slick.
RisR: Slick is one of my low key favorites.
Glasses Malone: Slick is fuckin dope. Fashawn out in Fresno
RisR: Yeah Fashawn is dope too.
Glasses Malone: This movement is special. It’s a movement to where we’re supposed to be so I’m just tryna come all the way together.
RisR: So speaking of all of these artists, who do you listen to when you’re not perfecting your craft? Even if it’s not rap.
Glasses Malone: Man I been listening to some shit. I’ve been listening to The Whispers and shit lately. If it’s some new rap stuff.. I like G Perico. He’s dope. He from L.A. I like King Trel. I like AD. It’s so much if I’m listening to rap. I don’t think everyone has their project together but I listen. I always listen to Joe [Mosses]. I listen to Ty[$} stuff. I’m really off that Whispers and some classic shit. Stuff I just slept on. I never knew when I was little why everyone else [was on it] but now I finally get it.
RisR: I be tryna go back and get some of the stuff. I got Marvin [Gaye] early. Some of the stuff I still haven’t really got. So as an artist who has released music through a major and an independent [label], how would you compare the too situations?
Glasses Malone: Being independent sucks. If you’re really independent, it sucks. A lot of rappers are lying and saying it’s dope but they must not be independent. Somebody else doing your record business and you just gotta rap, you still not independent. Your label is independent. Obviously, you keep all creative control, that’s dope but independent really means one person.
RisR: It’s funny because I talked to Crooked I and he was saying a lot of people say they’re independent. He’s like “They’re not independent. I’m calling Best Buy ‘Do you need some of these records, I’m shipping them out.’ You said that you can have a label that’s independent but you still have a label doing the work.
Glasses Malone: As an act you’re not independent your record label is independent. You may be signed to an independent but you’re not independent.
RisR: So how would that situation of independent label…do you feel like…because a lot of people complain about having a major deal and dealing with the politics of the industry and dealing with major labels…
Glasses Malone: Aint no politics they just want a hit record. You sign a record deal make a hit record. If you not in the art of making hit records like Puff, Dre hit records, don’t sign a record deal. You wanna put your stuff on the internet and looking for a video for every song, it’s not for you. The record deal ain’t for you. You want to just market your brand or sell sweaters or whatever anybody else in the game is doing, sell merch then be independent. You sign with a record label they want one record. That’s the only politic that it is. Make a hit record. Hit record? They got you.
RisR: I’ve seen you have this conversation before with one of my peoples…normally people say “A label this, a label that…” but you’re like “You know what this is and you know what they are about.”
Glasses Malone: The average person don’t walk in with the right mentality. The average person walk in wanting to reinvent the wheel and telling everybody what to do. Record companies market off of one record. If you can give them the biggest song in the country, then everything will be great. It’s love there. When I first got in it I didn’t know what the fuck it was about. I was thuggin talking shit. I didn’t understand. I get how it makes sense for certain people. If you’re not in the art of making hit records, if you’re in the art of crafting albums, don’t sign a record deal. If you’re in the art of having the best videos, don’t sign a record deal. If you have an internet buzz and people like you because you’re cool, don’t sign a record deal. You want to make the biggest record in the country, if you want to be a singles machine and a monster, do a record deal.
RisR: So having that experience and having that knowledge, you talk to other up and coming artists about that and try to explain that to them? I’m pretty sure a lot of people think “I”mma get signed, I’mma be on.”
Glasses Malone: Whoever ask me I tell them the truth. I don’t hold back from it.
RisR: The ad for your album, Kendrick was talking about how much he admired you and how much he looked up to you and stuff like that…You have to take on this role of being like your own star and at the same time a mentor. You’re not really old but at the same time, you are an OG because you’ve put in so much work. How do you adapt to taking on that role?
Glasses Malone: Just one day at a time. It’s crazy I’m in my 30s. I don’t know because I started rap so late. I mean I don’t know. I just do it a day at a time. I don’t have a plan. I don’t have a marketing strategy. I wish I did. I just legitimately try to help people that’s coming up ‘cause I wish Snoop and them would’ve helped me a lot more. I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t get a lot of conversations with them as much as I thought I would. So I try to always be there for all of them. From day one when I met Ty or Joe or AD I’mma tell them what I know to this point. I tell them everything I know. Spilling my guts to em if they wanna hear me. Hopefully, God willing, they won’t have to take the same bumps and bruises I took.
RisR: Being truly of the neighborhood, like most of us, you’ve had some dealings with gang injunctions. Whether it be your peoples, whether it be you having to deal with it specifically. How do you feel about that policing strategy of gang injunctions?
Glasses Malone: I mean it’s brilliant way to keep people apart. I mean but they can use it just like the Bible. The Bible is a good idea in concept but most people use it as a weapon so the police use it as a weapon too. If your goal is to make the neighborhood safe for kids, it’s a brilliant idea but they don’t use it for that. They misuse it. That’s why you have the issues.
RisR: But people can’t go to certain places…I mean even if…it’s like once you get on that gang injunction, I don’t know what it takes to get off of it. I’ve heard people trying to get off it but can’t get off it. I’ve heard people in the industry trying to get off it and can’t get off it. It eliminates you from being able to do certain things that as a human being you should be able to do. Now you can’t hang with your peoples. Oh there’s a barbeque over there? You can’t be there because so and so is there, you’re on this injunction…
Glasses Malone: I mean…I’m a gang member. I’m not somebody who like…I’m not an ex-gang member. I’m not a gang member tryna rescind his ties. If anything I’m redefining what you thought a gang member does. That’s what I would be doing closer to anything. I mean at the end of the day, the police…I don’t hate the police. I ain’t the average rapper with that. They just the opposition for me. They make the game fun. I hate that it can cost you your life but it’s still a game. They making the plays the best way they can to stop the offense. They defense work good on the shotgun, their defense work great on the shotgun, but this is the Wing-T though. I don’t give a fuck what the government, the police…this the Wing-T. I’m looking to run them over. I don’t give a fuck about a gang injunction or not. It’s up to me to come up with wiser strategy than the gang injunction. I don’t spend time worried about the defense. I’m fuckin with this offense. I know what they doing so long as I know, I pull the guard a little different but I’m running a Wing-T. Fuck the government I’m running my offense. I don’t really got nothing to say about that strategy. I ain’t tryna give a political stance for criminal minds. For myself, I don’t need a political stance. I’m for the people and I’m for profiting for my family. They job is to keep me in check and mellow me out. Use me for the economy to keep going. My job is to maximize my life and make sure my friends can eat as much as possible. The new logo is a tree. Like DMC the logo is some shit and most people ain’t gon’ understand it but it’s just like what I’m telling you. It’s stands for something just different. It’s different. It’s something new. I don’t spend a whole lot of time talking about
RisR: tryna change the rules…
Glasses Malone: I’m tryna run the muthafuckin rules over. Fuck all that…you run a 4-3, we coming with the Wing T. You get into cover we gon’ run the Wing T.
RisR: ‘Cause you just feel like the offense is better than the defense anyway…?
Glasses Malone: I’m just a better muthafucka. They could win if I let em but it’s on.
RisR: Speaking of the perception of gang members, a lot of people have judgements of what that means and what that is. Do you feel like people who aren’t in or from the area understand that? ‘Cause I feel like a lot of people make judgements and they don’t know. Like I grew up over on the Eastside of Long Beach with nothing but Insanes. Everybody I knew wasn’t a shooter. Everybody I knew wasn’t a dealer. It didn’t specifically mean anything other than the fact that you were affiliated with these people. I feel like people from the outside have a view that everyone who is affiliated is like a psycho. Do you feel like the perception of who gang members are is skewed?
Glasses Malone: I mean…for good reason. Gang bangin is no different than a soldier in the military. Depends on who you ask. My dad grew up around it and he hates this shit. He’s like “How could you become a gang member?” I told him it’s no different than if I went to the Marines. Fighting for some shit I don’t know what the fuck going on anyway most of the times so I just did with these muthafuckas. I don’t know. I just don’t give a fuck about what nobody think. I mean I care…
RisR: …but at the same time you can’t waste your time thinking about it…?
Glasses Malone: I can’t argue with ignorance. It’s hard for me to debate ignorance…things people don’t know. If a woman thinks I’mma steal her purse ‘cause I’m from a gang… there’s no doctrine…nobody signed up to a gang and then they say you can’t have a job. Drop out of school. I guess I understand people think that and I’m not upset they think that. I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid. Gangs encourage you to stand up for yourself and stand up for your friends. Now, just like no different from the Bible, one person can misuse their power in a gang and they can make you go shoot at somebody for the dumbest shit. No different than if I was a Marine and George Bush just wanna trip because of some bullshit and go “Yall go kill them.” No different than my Mom was mad at my Dad for something and was like “Slash his tires.” Come with the territory. I don’t spend a lot of time tryna honor ignorance. I ain’t tryna educate these muthafuckas on this shit. I like the advantage of them not knowing. I love that. I like to walk in the room and people won’t realize I probably most likely could be the smartest person in the room. I actually use it to the best of my abilities.
RisR: I know you’re huge on boxing so I had to ask you a boxing question. With Floyd [Mayweather] walking into the sunset, what do you think boxing looks like? I feel like he’s been THE name, the draw. The heavyweight division hasn’t been the draw like it used to be in the mainstream’s eyes. How do you feel boxing is going to be just from an actual boxing fan’s eyes? How do you think boxing is going to look without Floyd?
Glasses Malone: Boxing gon survive. Sure we had the greatest super star boxing ever knew. The best boxer that’s ever boxed.
RisR: And that’s another thing, you said that, there’s been a lot of debate about that, the best ever?
Glasses Malone: I don’t know why somebody would debate against somebody who dominated the best opposition that anybody’s ever faced. Nobody’s faced better fighters. Nobody’s beaten better fighters. Nobody’s faced as many great fighters. Nobody period. The closest person is the Muhammad Ali or a Manny Pacquiao or a Sugar Ray Robinson. You start talking about other fighters like a Mike Tyson, this guy only fought Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. You start talking about another fighter…this dude done fought some of the best fighters over 5 or 6 weight classes.
RisR: And done it for so many years…
Glasses Malone: 19 years…20 years…So once again that’s people in their feelings making a judgement versus looking at the logistics of looking at somebody and then understanding what you looking at. But before Floyd Mayweather before Oscar De La Hoya before Felix Trinidad before that era started, you had Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and George Foreman…again then George Foreman again and you had different people that would dominate the sport, heavyweight. And it wasn’t til the late 80s, 80s & 90s, Oscar was just barely coming on and Sugar Ray and them was done. Wasn’t nothing but heavyweights. Then, before that, you had Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler. They was killing the 80s. Duran and Aaron Pryor and Marvin Hagler. You had Macho Camacho early on. So you had that in the 80s. Then before that, when it wasn’t them, There was Ali and Foreman…Frazier. So it’s always been a back and forth between the lighter fighters and the heavier fighters. Right now we just went back into the heavyweight era. Furys, Joshua. You got David Haye who just came back, you got Povetkin You got some really good heavyweights. Then you got some guys here. It’s a guy out of Carson right now, Charles Martin. He could fight. You got fuckin’ Deontay Wilder. You got some shit so the heavyweight division is finna be really, really fun. It’s some really big guys. Bigger than ever before. You start talking about Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis was taller than everybody and he was 6’5. These dudes are like 6’9 and 6’8.
RisR: I mean you figure as you watch other sports, everybody’s become bigger, faster, stronger
Glasses Malone: You gotta look at that
RisR: You got the defensive ends becoming bigger, faster, stronger. You got a muthafucka like Lebron [James] who’s huge but also quick. It’s only logicaL…
Glasses Malone: Crazy coordination.
RisR: It just continues to keep going…
Glasses Malone: It always goes back and forth. It was dope to watch Floyd. I’m glad it happened in my lifetime. Like it’s dope to watch Steph Curry. When you get to see that, man, you can’t really do much but be like “Wow, that’s crazy.”
RisR: I feel like people have a biased view. People look to older stuff and just “Oh this was the shit.” It’s the Kobe/Jordan discussion. It’s the Sugar Ray/Floyd discussion. People say, “Well, this happened before. This is better.” Do you feel people don’t appreciate what they have in front of them because of that?
Glasses Malone: Sure, I mean, I think it happens sometimes.
RisR: And that goes to music too.
Glasses Malone: Music was better.
RisR: Oh you think music WAS better?
Glasses Malone: It was better. It also depends on what you like. When I listen to Jay-Z or when I was a kid, you listen to Jay, you got Marcy. You didn’t get Atlanta. It depends on what you like music for. Music was a journey for me. I can listen to Jay-Z and hear what it was like in Marcy and hear how people talk. I could listen to Juvenile and hear how they talked in New Orleans and how the feel was. That was dope in music.
RisR: Do you feel like the internet has ruined that?
Glasses Malone: Nah, nah…some artists are internet artists. No disrespect to none of them guys but some of them guys are just for the internet.
RisR: I feel like before we had that I’d listen to Mobb Deep and I’d be like, “Yo this is…”
Glasses Malone: This is how it is in Queens.
RisR: Exactly. But I feel like, now, I go on Twitter and see Queens and the artists in Queens may be going on Twitter and seeing Atlanta and their music is Atlanta now.
Glasses Malone: Yeah. See, that’s the thing. That’s why you not hearing it because they are on the internet. People live vicariously through the internet. They mack the bitches on Facebook.
RisR: Then find out they’re somebody they ain’t…they weren’t the picture.
Glasses Malone: They listening to Future all day and then vibing on Future. They ain’t going outside. Also,like I said, it’s all about the musicians. It ain’t even about the rappers as much as about the person making the music. The musicians, today, are people that’s on the internet. They not taking in the environment. They not DJing at Skateland, USA. They not DJing at Howard University. They not Jermaine Dupri. They not in the club…
RisR: They’re not building those experiences before they make the music.
Glasses Malone:… to create the sonic scape that fits the area.
RisR: Speaking of the internet, Something I talked to Mitchy Slick about…he said as things have transitioned to the internet, before music was being sold mainly through the internet, the playing field was you go into the store you would see Jay-Z, you would see whoever else was popping, you would see Mitchy Slick and everybody in the store would be buying music. As things have gone to the internet, he said that his audience wasn’t necessarily purchasing all of their music on the internet. As more people have been purchasing on the internet and his audience wasn’t making those purchases, it changed the way sales were. He felt like his audience wasn’t people who purchased music on the internet. Do you see that same situation? Do you feel the internet has changed the way music is being sold and who is purchasing music?
Glasses Malone: At that point, the person in the street just don’t know Mitchy Slick is coming out with an album because the internet is creating a buzz. The internet is creating a buzz around other people. So you stuck hearing about these other artists. You know, an A$AP Rocky or something and now you can’t talk about Mitchy Slick because everyone is talking about A$AP Rocky and it’s like the internet. It’s not that you have to change your music, it’s that you have to change your marketing.
RisR: That’s what he said. Mitchy Slick ain’t changing his music but he said he had to understand how to sell that music on the internet because his audience didn’t necessarily translate to the internet. He said he sold most of his CDs in jail. And it’s funny because my brother came home and he seen I was bumping Mitchy Slick and he was like “OH this the shit!” So he said he had to change the way he sold the music. I definitely relate to the idea that internet is pushing specific artists.
Glasses Malone: Yeah because it’s a certain type of kid that’s on the internet and the majority period…even a certain type of person to relate to. On the internet, it’s a different kind of guy. That kind of guy might be the same kind of guy that’s not like Mitchy Slick. Glasses Malone might buy a Mitchy Slick album and I’m in a Chevy or in the street races. I’m not chilling on the internet looking for the next thing. I’m living the next thing. People will become fans of yours you just gotta understand how to market then you have to make a judgement. I didn’t start the game nowhere close to where Mitchy started the game. I know what he’s saying because I make a certain type street or brand of Hip-Hop the same thing that somebody like him originated from a certain underground perspective. So we just gotta make our adjustments on how we market is.
RisR: It’s funny because I feel like the sound of L.A., I feel like the streets of L.A. are definitely different than what’s on the internet. I feel like people are superstars here in L.A. and then I go on the internet and they act like that’s not actually happening right now.
Glasses Malone: But then again, you not marketing to them as well. To our failure, to our non-success, we gotta be mindful of that. You gotta figure out how to get to the people that want to hear the stuff you’re talking about. The average person who is that type of person that’s on the internet, they have the benefit. At one time an artists that didn’t talk about the streets couldn’t eat the same way as an artists that talked about the streets. You can’t cry over spilled milk. You just gotta get up, pick your shit up, and get to it.
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